CLASS : Wednesday September 24th :: - denotes a different person speaking Barlow The problem -2 biggest problems 1. selling and buying - disallow free exchange of ideas 2. The evolution of property law (in ancient times - you would protect your own property to creating a system of patent and copyrights. Does this come from a need to own something physical?) -next 20-30 years - issue property and broadcast media and sell time on media :: with internet, no way to make money -compare the present and past - now - whoever has the largest group of lawyers will win -companies want to get lawyers to hack into people's computers and track people down :: two towers, four months ahead of release time is already on the web :: recording industry wants to ban napster-types, movie industry wants to set up sentinels to follow violators and contact their ISP ::law is made b/c you have enough money, not from general consensus :: this disrupts other people's internet :: vigilante - taking things into own hands - i.e. silver bullet with cable company - if you're stealing cable, will sent it through :: corporations won't go "throwing water balloons at people" - will find another method "We need to be realistic - just because it's not enforced, doesn't mean it's not breaking the law" -bounty hunters - when the scale changes, the law changes as well :: There's a difference between downloading and physically stealing something (i.e. from Suncoast video ) -Distinction between physical and intellectual property -As Barlow says, we need to revisit the whole concept ::patent and copyright law was created to protect inventors and artists -at this point, does it hinder innovation and arts? :: one can't take old laws and use them for the new times, it won't work ::as copyright laws extended - it's stifling creativity ::information definition -activity -verb, not noun -occupies time, rather space -propagates, isn't distributed -a life form (information wants to be free) --What's the difference between a recording a tape and downloading an mp3?? ::Quality :: Is there really a difference? :: people will buy something for the quality that they won't get from the tape ::If mp3s have the same quality, what is the motivation for people to buy? ::Issue of taste ::Music industry the most hurt by this, not artists (who benefit from the concerts) :: Corporations getting hurt ::instead of trying to stop, should try to benefit :: The Grateful Dead allowed fans to record their songs in concert (many writers and songwriters have no problem with this - it's the corporations) -people will always go to concerts - no substitute for being there in reality ::I would feel better knowing that the money is going to the artist instead of the "big, scary corporation" :: Recording companies publicize artists - how will artists get this publicity without them? ::John Mayer - got initial publicity off of mp3.com ::Grateful Dead - through the recorded concerts ::bigger fanbase will overcome the "slight dip in sales" ::a lot of people still say "I want the CD as a physical representation of what I like" :: CD - almost all of the money goes to the corporation, not the artist :: Recording industry doesn't really record quality anymore, they produce a package (i.e. Britney Spears, Boy bands) :: Dave Matthews, just fired his old producer, brought in a new "corporate" type producer à fan base hated the "produced" stuff, and currently going back to the old producer ::In the past, major recording companies liked being in charge - they would pay the radio stations to play what they wanted to be on the radio. Now, there's an "indie" - independent person with an exclusive right to market to the station, pay indie large amount of money to play on current play lists ::artists are scared of using different distribution methods ::availability sells --How do we hear about what we listen to? ::Recording companies don't do a great job of publicizing ::We hear from friends ::Someone in a band, put on Napster, sold more CDs through the internet than any other method ::Industry needs to reform : should improve product to include something special, besides just the recorded music! This is the only way to sell ::You need to take the product up to another notch, upgrade it ::Industry sees the death of itself, trying to protect itself ::If les and less people make money, the industry will evolve to only include the people that really love making music ,despite money ::What gives information value rather than property? Usually.. familiarity vs. scarcity, but with information , it's different ::Point of View vs. Authority -do you want a good map? Or bad directions on a napkin -this kind of information is more valuable ::exclusivity is value -only one with information - > you can make money -the sooner you know information, the more valuable it is ::Protection of execution has value ::one guy claimes to have invented it before, but if he has no patent, there's no value ::information as its own reward ---Where do you think the law should go? ::Until the owner goes out and says "this is not mine" ::Don't you think ownership is ridiculous? ::Problem : copyright is 100 years, and not 14 years ::Barlow argues to take things to the other extreme ::work on advent of nanotechnology ::biotechnology company owns genes.. act of producing -what if starving African country buys bioengineered corn and by a random act, the seeds spread to country y, and it grows.. and then the company sues. Is this right? MOZILLA PAPER ::seems like not in the spirit of open source ::product of losing to IE explorer .. last ditch effort? ::give life to browser war